(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]HA[7]KM[0.50]TM[1800]OT[5x40 byo-yomi]
PW[breakfast]PB[thekro]WR[1p]BR[11k]DT[2006-06-03]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AB[dd][pd][dj][jj][pj][dp][pp]C[thekro [11k?\]: many thanks, and have a good game
breakfast [1p\]: Have a good game, Please add me 5-10 min
]RE[W+8.50]
;W[md]CR[md]WL[1939]
;B[pf]CR[pf]BL[1994]
;W[hc]CR[hc]WL[2523]C[thekro [11k?\]: ok - i added the time - say if you want more
]
;B[df]CR[df]BL[1960]
;W[gp]CR[gp]WL[2497]
;B[jp]CR[jp]BL[1950]
;W[dm]CR[dm]WL[2484]
;B[fo]CR[fo]BL[1932]
;W[mp]CR[mp]WL[2466]
;B[ko]CR[ko]BL[1919]
;W[pm]CR[pm]WL[2457]
;B[on]CR[on]BL[1902]
;W[qj]CR[qj]WL[2438]
;B[pk]CR[pk]BL[1879]C[K: No! Should not consider anything other than the two hanes.
]
;W[qk]CR[qk]WL[2431]
;B[qi]CR[qi]BL[1875]
;W[pl]CR[pl]WL[2426]
(;B[ri]CR[ri]BL[1866]
;W[mn]CR[mn]WL[2401]
;B[nm]CR[nm]BL[1857]
;W[pi]CR[pi]WL[2378]
;B[go]CR[go]BL[1824]C[K: Cannot tenuki in such a tense fight! Even if you see no way for white to capture the 2 stones, intuitively this has to strike you as a concession.
]
;W[ph]CR[ph]WL[2362]
;B[qg]CR[qg]BL[1814]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: brave tenuki
]
;W[ok]CR[ok]WL[2349]C[K: Now white has a strong group on the board, he will be able to attack aggressively all over. First mission accomplished for white.
]
;B[mm]CR[mm]BL[1760]
;W[pq]CR[pq]WL[2342]
;B[qq]CR[qq]BL[1722]
;W[op]CR[op]WL[2312]
;B[pr]CR[pr]BL[1703]C[K: No need to offer an exchange - just defend.
]
;W[po]CR[po]WL[2291]
;B[oq]CR[oq]BL[1699]
;W[qp]CR[qp]WL[2261]
;B[pq]CR[pq]BL[1651]
;W[oo]CR[oo]WL[2253]
;B[qo]CR[qo]BL[1637]
;W[pn]CR[pn]WL[2240]
;B[cp]CR[cp]BL[1612]
;W[cj]CR[cj]WL[2212]
;B[ci]CR[ci]BL[1599]
;W[dk]CR[dk]WL[2199]
;B[di]CR[di]BL[1567]
;W[bk]CR[bk]WL[2196]
;B[bj]CR[bj]BL[1538]
;W[ck]CR[ck]WL[2180]
(;B[bi]CR[bi]BL[1516]C[
]
;W[gl]CR[gl]WL[2146]
;B[he]CR[he]BL[1501]
;W[jd]CR[jd]WL[2130]C[K: This exchange (H15 for K16) strengthens white a lot. E.g. if black gets P17 later, he will regret having removed the threatened invasion.
]
;B[gj]CR[gj]BL[1496]
;W[cc]CR[cc]WL[2058]C[K: Cheeky - this gives black a strong attack on the central group. But notice how white immediately plays to punish the H15-K16 exchange: since the white group is strong now, he can afford to invade and the resulting black thickness will be inefficient.
]
(;B[bm]CR[bm]BL[1461]C[K: No! D17 should be automatic. To take sente, play as in the variation.
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]WL[2047]
;B[cd]CR[cd]BL[1445]
;W[ed]CR[ed]WL[2037]
;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[1433]
;W[fd]CR[fd]WL[2017]
;B[fe]CR[fe]BL[1393]C[K: Black has taken a substantial loss compared to the variation, both in terms of territory and shape.
]
;W[il]CR[il]WL[1919]
;B[hk]CR[hk]BL[1356]C[
]
;W[hl]CR[hl]WL[1916]
;B[kl]CR[kl]BL[1323]C[K: This peep-and-cap is a strong attacking combination. White is in trouble.
]
;W[fj]CR[fj]WL[1906]
;B[fi]CR[fi]BL[1292]
;W[fk]CR[fk]WL[1901]
;B[fm]CR[fm]BL[1266]
;W[kn]CR[kn]WL[1885]
;B[jn]CR[jn]BL[1254]
;W[ij]CR[ij]WL[1879]
(;B[jk]CR[jk]BL[1226]
;W[ik]CR[ik]WL[1860]
;B[gi]CR[gi]BL[1191]
;W[km]CR[km]WL[1825]
;B[jm]CR[jm]BL[1179]
;W[jl]CR[jl]WL[1809]
;B[fl]CR[fl]BL[1156]
;W[gk]CR[gk]WL[1782]
;B[ek]CR[ek]BL[1151]
;W[ji]CR[ji]WL[1741]
;B[ln]CR[ln]BL[1143]
;W[kk]CR[kk]WL[1733]
;B[ll]CR[ll]BL[1113]C[K: Amazing how white has managed to worm out with half the group. Notice how the strong group to the right means white is already safe.  If white didn't have that group, the attack would continue.
]
;W[cr]CR[cr]WL[1709]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: oooh here it comes :O
reinhardt [-\]: e2
]
;B[dr]CR[dr]BL[1017]
;W[bo]CR[bo]WL[1700]
;B[cn]CR[cn]BL[1010]
;W[co]CR[co]WL[1664]
;B[do]CR[do]BL[986]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes
]
;W[bp]CR[bp]WL[1649]
;B[dn]CR[dn]BL[977]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: e2 rather than d2
]
;W[cq]CR[cq]WL[1642]
;B[dq]CR[dq]BL[973]C[reinhardt [-\]: c3 wouldn't have been sente
]
;W[bn]CR[bn]WL[1624]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes
]
;B[cm]CR[cm]BL[966]C[quantumf [12k\]: still g4 has some aji
]
;W[cs]CR[cs]WL[1606]C[reinhardt [-\]: p17 now
quantumf [12k\]: yes!
AcidBurn [10k?\]: oba move
]
;B[oc]CR[oc]BL[922]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: YAY!
quantumf [12k\]: yay
AcidBurn [10k?\]: lol
]
;W[bd]CR[bd]WL[1574]
;B[bf]CR[bf]BL[892]C[quantumf [12k\]: 63 points for breakfast to catch up in yose? 
reinhardt [-\]: why not b15?
AcidBurn [10k?\]: no idea
quantumf [12k\]: too obvious :)
AcidBurn [10k?\]: this leaves lots of aji
]
;W[qc]CR[qc]WL[1515]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: lmao
]
;B[qd]CR[qd]BL[873]C[quantumf [12k\]: can white live in gote?
AcidBurn [10k?\]: shouldnt live
]
;W[mb]CR[mb]WL[1475]
;B[kj]CR[kj]BL[867]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: just using it as aji
]
;W[lk]CR[lk]WL[1464]C[reinhardt [-\]: clever
reinhardt [-\]: probe
quantumf [12k\]: a nice probe then, sente with n18 a big follow up
AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes black at n18 would have been big
]
;B[lj]CR[lj]BL[832]
;W[mk]CR[mk]WL[1459]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: black is taking chances :)
reinhardt [-\]: yes
]
;B[lh]CR[lh]BL[813]C[quantumf [12k\]: if he pulls them out he wins

K: This is exactly the sort of strategy you should be using: if it works, white has to resign early so you will feel really good. Also, you can feel happy because you are giving your opponent a sporting chance. Under no circumstances should you just take the easy win by forcing from the outside (O14) or playing a large endgame point (P18/M3). This will cause white not to want to play with you again, or at least not with the same handicap. Trust me on this one.
]
;W[kh]CR[kh]WL[1446]C[quantumf [12k\]: and if not, he may still win
AcidBurn [10k?\]: rather reduce the center from o14
reinhardt [-\]: i don't think so
]
;B[mh]CR[mh]BL[786]
;W[mj]CR[mj]WL[1438]C[quantumf [12k\]: ? you mean he needs them to live?
]
;B[li]CR[li]BL[774]C[reinhardt [-\]: he can't let white capture on a big scale
AcidBurn [10k?\]: no black is far ahead
]
;W[ig]CR[ig]WL[1406]C[quantumf [12k\]: score estimate can't be trusted
AcidBurn [10k?\]: nope count it yourself
]
;B[hh]CR[hh]BL[742]C[quantumf [12k\]: i mean aji at r17 and g4 make counts unreliable
]
;W[ih]CR[ih]WL[1387]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: black looks to be about 40 points ahead
]
;B[hj]CR[hj]BL[731]
;W[of]CR[of]WL[1373]C[quantumf [12k\]: black going for ko?
AcidBurn [10k?\]: black has lost a lot now
quantumf [12k\]: yes
quantumf [12k\]: but can get something out a ko fight
]
;B[oe]CR[oe]BL[685]
;W[nf]CR[nf]WL[1345]
;B[id]CR[id]BL[664]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: i would have left j13 and connected the black center group out
]
;W[ic]CR[ic]WL[1307]C[quantumf [12k\]: me too
quantumf [12k\]: i was surprise at his choice
quantumf [12k\]: but his black stones have aji
]
;B[ds]CR[ds]BL[642]C[quantumf [12k\]: when should black play around t8?
reinhardt [-\]: white can't make a lot of territory around t8
]
;W[gm]CR[gm]WL[1273]
;B[fn]CR[fn]BL[634]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: black should just play all his sente endgame now
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]WL[1224]
;B[re]CR[re]BL[623]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: Q18?
AcidBurn [10k?\]: ko for life?
]
;W[pb]CR[pb]WL[1190]C[quantumf [12k\]: what about m3
]
;B[ob]CR[ob]BL[603]
;W[rb]CR[rb]WL[1182]C[reinhardt [-\]: m3 is huge
]
;B[sd]CR[sd]BL[591]
;W[rc]CR[rc]WL[1176]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes
quantumf [12k\]: takes territory and reduces aji of g4
]
;B[rp]CR[rp]BL[564]C[reinhardt [-\]: seems smaal to me
AcidBurn [10k?\]: small
]
;W[rf]CR[rf]WL[1134]C[quantumf [12k\]: breakfast going for the kill
]
;B[se]CR[se]BL[535]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: yeah the cut at r12 is helping
]
;W[rg]CR[rg]WL[1097]
;B[rh]CR[rh]BL[522]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: hmm 
quantumf [12k\]: has he read that right?
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]WL[1023]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: depends on blacks answer now
quantumf [12k\]: oh dear
quantumf [12k\]: double atari...
]
;B[qe]CR[qe]BL[490]C[reinhardt [-\]: disaster
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]WL[1020]
;B[qh]CR[qh]BL[486]C[quantumf [12k\]: ko for life?
AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes a ko
]
;W[pe]CR[pe]WL[1004]C[quantumf [12k\]: oi
AcidBurn [10k?\]: very bad for black
AcidBurn [10k?\]: nothing is big enough
]
;B[ii]CR[ii]BL[450]C[quantumf [12k\]: j11 is big
]
;W[hi]CR[hi]WL[996]
;B[pf]CR[pf]BL[445]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: that is one he cant follow up so white can take what he wants
]
;W[ii]CR[ii]WL[963]
;B[pe]CR[pe]BL[439]C[quantumf [12k\]: so can black tho
quantumf [12k\]: but yes, j11 later would have been nice
quantumf [12k\]: pity to waste it on corner life
]
;W[rj]CR[rj]WL[933]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: no on a few point , white has stolen the corner
]
;B[sg]CR[sg]BL[427]C[quantumf [12k\]: hmm
quantumf [12k\]: black still needs 2nd eye
]
;W[si]CR[si]WL[920]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: dead
]
;B[sf]CR[sf]BL[398]C[reinhardt [-\]: there is still o15
AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes
quantumf [12k\]: there is still hope
quantumf [12k\]: but against a pro...?
reinhardt [-\]: o15 o16 ...
]
;W[ne]CR[ne]WL[883]
;B[ej]CR[ej]BL[384]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: ??!?!?!?!
quantumf [12k\]: what?
]
;W[rf]CR[rf]WL[854]C[quantumf [12k\]: resign?
AcidBurn [10k?\]: resign
]
;B[sc]CR[sc]BL[361]
;W[sb]CR[sb]WL[830]
;B[qa]CR[qa]BL[355]C[quantumf [12k\]: eesh
quantumf [12k\]: what a shame
AcidBurn [10k?\]: doesnt work
]
;W[pa]CR[pa]WL[819]
;B[ra]CR[ra]BL[320]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: n18 hurts atm
thekro [11k?\]: lol 2 minutes left
]
;W[oa]CR[oa]WL[784]
;B[nb]CR[nb]BL[318]
;W[na]CR[na]WL[714]
;B[mc]CR[mc]BL[308]
;W[lc]CR[lc]WL[688]
;B[nd]CR[nd]BL[304]C[quantumf [12k\]: white q17....
AcidBurn [10k?\]: black is loving ko's today
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]WL[657]
;B[ar]CR[ar]BL[290]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: o.o
]
;W[aq]CR[aq]WL[645]
;B[mc]CR[mc]BL[287]C[quantumf [12k\]: does this ko work?
quantumf [12k\]: must white answer?
]
;W[le]CR[le]WL[539]
;B[pc]CR[pc]BL[284]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: well its a bad one for black he needs to ignore
quantumf [12k\]: now its a ko
]
;W[nc]CR[nc]WL[512]
;B[bs]CR[bs]BL[280]C[quantumf [12k\]: R18?
Snupkin [13k\]: 'יןאק אם ןעמםר :S
]
;W[bq]CR[bq]WL[498]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes
]
;B[mc]CR[mc]BL[276]C[Snupkin [13k\]: white needed to ignor
ShussakuZ2: good h wins this game .. he is losing by more then 120 to a 3k in other game
]
;W[ho]CR[ho]WL[483]
;B[nc]CR[nc]BL[271]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: ouch
quantumf [12k\]: m18?
Snupkin [13k\]: now hite must diffend :S
AcidBurn [10k?\]: yes
Snupkin [13k\]: white*
quantumf [12k\]: but k4 stones are isolated
]
;W[kb]CR[kb]WL[697]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: its very close , but white will win in endgame
Snupkin [13k\]: that was a mistake but y white defend on B3 R15 = much more
]
;B[lq]CR[lq]BL[270]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: i agree snupkin
]
;W[hn]CR[hn]WL[663]
;B[hp]CR[hp]BL[267]C[Snupkin [13k\]: A16 and seki but its few points
quantumf [12k\]: i think black can still make it
Snupkin [13k\]: B won i think
quantumf [12k\]: altho the blunder at S14 suggests maybe not :)
]
;W[ip]CR[ip]WL[630]
;B[hq]CR[hq]BL[265]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: black is 6.5 ahead
]
;W[iq]CR[iq]WL[594]
;B[io]CR[io]BL[264]
;W[in]CR[in]WL[523]
;B[jo]CR[jo]BL[260]
;W[hr]CR[hr]WL[511]
;B[gq]CR[gq]BL[258]
;W[gr]CR[gr]WL[503]
;B[fq]CR[fq]BL[256]
;W[mq]CR[mq]WL[486]
;B[mr]CR[mr]BL[253]
;W[lp]CR[lp]WL[462]
;B[kq]CR[kq]BL[250]
;W[nr]CR[nr]WL[447]
(;B[ir]CR[ir]BL[247]
;W[lr]CR[lr]WL[442]
;B[rm]CR[rm]BL[243]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: why did black do that!
Snupkin [13k\]: i wasnt lookiing do what?
reinhardt [-\]: allow m2
Snupkin [13k\]: what did b do?
]
;W[gh]CR[gh]WL[398]C[reinhardt [-\]: j2
]
;B[be]CR[be]BL[238]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: why did he play j2?
]
;W[ce]CR[ce]WL[388]
;B[de]CR[de]BL[234]
;W[bc]CR[bc]WL[382]
;B[hg]CR[hg]BL[230]C[Snupkin [13k\]: his group was dead
]
;W[fh]CR[fh]WL[366]
;B[ei]CR[ei]BL[227]C[Snupkin [13k\]: white would kill b first i think
]
;W[hf]CR[hf]WL[351]
;B[gd]CR[gd]BL[224]
;W[gc]CR[gc]WL[343]C[Snupkin [13k\]: bi acoutlly u  right
]
;B[gg]CR[gg]BL[222]C[Snupkin [13k\]: no actually u right*
Snupkin [13k\]: J2 is a mistake
AcidBurn [10k?\]: black was fine no need for funny thigns
]
;W[gf]CR[gf]WL[305]
;B[fg]CR[fg]BL[219]
;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[297]
;B[eg]CR[eg]BL[200]C[thekro [11k?\]: ah crap
]
;W[ge]CR[ge]WL[586]C[thekro [11k?\]: didn't ralise about byoyomi
]
;B[an]CR[an]BL[200]
;W[ao]CR[ao]WL[584]
;B[am]CR[am]BL[200]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: black is now losing
]
;W[ks]CR[ks]WL[546]C[Snupkin [13k\]: white is leading by?
]
;B[is]CR[is]BL[200]
;W[rl]CR[rl]WL[538]
;B[oj]CR[oj]BL[200]
;W[nj]CR[nj]WL[517]C[Snupkin [13k\]: i think B is leading
AcidBurn [10k?\]: 3 points i think
]
;B[nh]CR[nh]BL[200]
;W[oi]CR[oi]WL[509]
;B[qm]CR[qm]BL[200]
;W[sm]CR[sm]WL[495]C[Snupkin [13k\]: 85 for B
]
;B[rn]CR[rn]BL[200]C[AcidBurn [10k?\]: nooo white is 10 points ahead
Snupkin [13k\]: 93 for white
]
;W[sn]CR[sn]WL[436]
;B[so]CR[so]BL[200]
;W[sl]CR[sl]WL[428]C[Snupkin [13k\]: oops forgot from komi
]
;B[mo]CR[mo]BL[200]
;W[no]CR[no]WL[423]C[Shusmacku [9k?\]: black leads
Snupkin [13k\]: 93.5
]
;B[nn]CR[nn]BL[200]C[Snupkin [13k\]: no white is leading
Snupkin [13k\]: by 8.5
]
;W[kr]CR[kr]WL[392]
;B[jq]CR[jq]BL[200]
;W[qn]CR[qn]WL[676]
;B[nq]CR[nq]BL[200]
;W[np]CR[np]WL[667]
;B[ad]CR[ad]BL[200]
;W[ac]CR[ac]WL[659]C[Snupkin [13k\]: well im counting again every thing is  changing
]
;B[ae]CR[ae]BL[200]C[Snupkin [13k\]: white =93.5 again
]
;W[ql]CR[ql]WL[591]
;B[ro]CR[ro]BL[200]
;W[lo]CR[lo]WL[585]
;B[mn]CR[mn]BL[200]
;W[ml]CR[ml]WL[579]
;B[lm]CR[lm]BL[200]
;W[if]CR[if]WL[577]
;B[ef]CR[ef]BL[200]
;W[nl]CR[nl]WL[570]C[Snupkin [13k\]: 79 for b 
]
;B[sh]CR[sh]BL[200]C[Snupkin [13k\]: i think ill recount
]
;W[sj]CR[sj]WL[563]
;B[im]CR[im]BL[200]
;W[om]CR[om]WL[559]
;B[ns]CR[ns]BL[200]
;W[ms]CR[ms]WL[557]
;B[os]CR[os]BL[200]
;W[mr]CR[mr]WL[554]
;B[or]CR[or]BL[200]
;W[]WL[554]C[Snupkin [13k\]: yep 79
]
;B[]BL[200]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][ja][ka][la][ma][qa][ra][sa][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][fb][gb][hb][ib][jb][lb][qb][ec][fc][jc][kc][gd][hd][id][kd][ld][he][ie][je][ke][me][jf][kf][lf][mf][jg][kg][lg][mg][ng][og][jh][lh][mh][nh][oh][ki][li][mi][ni][jj][kj][lj][oj][pj][jk][nk][pk][rk][sk][ol][ls]TB[od][ce][af][cf][qf][rf][ag][bg][cg][dg][rg][ah][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][ai][aj][cj][ak][bk][ck][dk][al][bl][cl][dl][el][dm][em][km][en][kn][eo][ep][fp][gp][ip][qp][sp][eq][iq][rq][sq][er][fr][gr][hr][qr][rr][sr][es][fs][gs][hs][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[Shusmacku [9k?\]: close game
Snupkin [13k\]: :S
RocketBoy [28k?\]: isnt upper right corner seki?
breakfast [1p\]: thx!
breakfast [1p\]: the center was too big
thekro [11k?\]: thank you very much
thekro [11k?\]: yes
breakfast [1p\]: thx for presenting the central group:)
thekro [11k?\]: i forgot about overtime, thought i would lose on time, so plazyed too fast :(
breakfast [1p\]: see you!
thekro [11k?\]: well, i couldn't figure a way out for it
thekro [11k?\]: see you, thanks
AcidBurn [10k?\]: STEVE ME AND JACO ARE GONNA HURT YOU NEXT TIME AT THE CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thekro [11k?\]: yes, i expect so :(
AcidBurn [10k?\]: lol
thekro [11k?\]: and i gave away about 15 points easy in endgame cos i was playnig fast, and not bothering fighting for small points to keep groups going
thekro [11k?\]: cos i ddn't have time to count once i was in byo-yomi :(
thekro [11k?\]: oh well
thekro [11k?\]: anyone wanna review?
thekro [11k?\]: ok - well, in that case, i'll bring it to the club and we can chat...
thekro [11k?\]: rory: i thought i could get ko in the top right corner, missed the descent at q19, rather than the hane at p19 :(
thekro [11k?\]: interesting though- he backed down from all the ko fights, and answered stuff i didn't think he would
])
(;B[lr]CR[lr]
;W[nq]CR[nq]))
(;B[ii]C[K: This would cause more problems for white? Black doesn't need to kill as long as he keeps enlarging his territory while attacking.
]))
(;B[dc]
;W[db]
;B[cd]
;W[bb]
;B[bc]
;W[cb]
;B[bm]))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Andre says I shouldn't connect, but should take a big point.]))
(;B[qh]CR[qh]))